I’m always happy to meet with students when they ask for my input, so when Saul Goode, one of my students, asked to speak to me after class the other day, I was glad to make some time for him.
“What’s on your mind?” I asked once we’d sat down in my office.
“Well, it’s not exactly about class or about teaching. Is that OK?”
“That’s fine. What’s up?”
“You write mystery novels, don’t you, Dr. Kinberg?”
“I’ve written a couple,” I answered.
“Good. Then maybe you can give me some advice.”
“I’ll try.”
“OK, well it’s just this. I’m writing a crime novel of my own and I could use some guidance.”
“I think it’s great that you’re doing some of your own writing!” I said. I meant it, too; I respect it a lot when people take on the challenge of writing a book. It’s not easy.
“Thanks,” Saul said. “Do you think if I tell you about my novel, you could give me some pointers?”
“I’ll be glad to try,” I said. “Let’s hear what you’ve got.”
Saul began a little nervously. “OK,” he said. “There’s this guy. Nobody knows it but he’s a vicious killer. He mostly goes after young girls. You know, teenagers.”
I wasn’t sure I liked where this was going but I didn’t want to interrupt Saul before he’d even gotten started, so I nodded in comprehension. Saul watched my face carefully and then went on. “There’s also this cop. He’s kind of burned out. You know – he’s seen too much. And he’s keeping this big secret. He hasn’t even told any of his ex-wives. So he drinks and he gets in trouble with his superiors all the time, but he’s really a good guy. What do you think so far?”
I sighed inwardly but I didn’t want to discourage my student, so I tried to think of a helpful, constructive way to put it. “Well,” I said, “you’ve certainly got an action-packed idea here. But – ”
“– that’s exactly what I’m going for, too!” Saul said excitedly. “In all the novels I read, there’s always a lot of blood, a lot of car chases, that kind of thing. That’s what the best crime novels have.”
“Um, let me ask you a question, Saul,” I had to interrupt him. “Which authors do you read?”
“Oh, all the best-sellers. They all have a lot of gore and tons of murders and things in them, so that’s where I got my idea.”
“I see. Have you read Michael Connelly’s latest? It’s called The Drop. And The Black Box is coming out later this year.”
“Um, no. I haven’t read his books. I’ve heard of him though.”
“Good. You may want to read some of his Harry Bosch novels. His Mickey Haller novels too. Those don’t all have crazy serial killers going after young teenagers but Connelly is a real best-seller.”
“Maybe, but what about that other guy – you know, the one who puts out book after book? He’s always got brutal killers – I mean seriously brutal ones. And his stuff always sells a lot. He’s not the only one either.”
“Here’s the thing, Saul,” I tried to explain. “The whole key to a good crime novel is an interesting mystery with well-developed characters. Good crime novels have solid plots too. And a good plot doesn’t need to be blood-soaked.”
“I guess not.” Saul looked a little unhappy, so I tried to encourage him a bit. “But you have two essentials already. You’ve got your murderer and you’ve got your sleuth. That’s a start. What you might want to do is read some other famous authors and see what they do with their characters. You might get some good ideas for where you can go with your own story.”
“Like who? I know you mentioned once that you really like Agatha Christie and Rex Stout and some of those old writers, but those old-fashioned mysteries don’t interest me. They’re – I don’t know – not my thing.”
“That’s fine,” I said. “Lots of very talented authors write the kind of novels you like better and the kind of novel I think you’re probably interested in writing.” I gave Saul a few names, like Sue Grafton, Jo Nesbø and Deon Meyer. “All of these authors write novels with action and suspense, but they don’t wallow in blood either,” I explained. “Maybe they’ll help you get an idea of how to develop your plot and characters a little.”
“OK,” Saul said doubtfully. “Do any of them write about vampires?”
Uh-oh. This was going to take more time than I’d thought.
“Saul,” I said carefully, “You don’t have to have vampires in a book to make it a good one.”
“But you should see how many vampire books are way up at the top of the charts.”
“That doesn’t make them good, though.”
“Maybe,” he said, looking even more doubtful.
“Look,” I finally said, “Why don’t you do this? Read a couple of the authors I’ve suggested. Then look back at your manuscript. Use your own voice and ideas and the lessons you learn from what you’ve read. That’ll be a good start.”
“You think so?”
“I do.” Maybe I was actually getting through to him.
“OK, then. I’ll do some reading. And here’s what else I’ll do. I’ll finish up my manuscript. I’m already on Chapter Ninety-Eight, where we’ve just learned that my cop – the one who drinks too much – is really a werewolf. He’s about to have this really epic battle with the killer. As soon as I’ve thrown in a few more missing girls and dismembered bodies I’ll send it out. I’ll bet it’ll sell a million! Thanks for your help, Dr. Kinberg.”
Saul left my office jauntily. The sad thing is, he’s probably right.
*Special thanks to Bernadette at Reactions to Reading , who also co-hosts Fair Dinkum Crime, for the inspiration for this post. If you’re not actively following those blogs, you’re missing out. Seriously.













You’re a cool teacher.
I was actually writing a blog post on trends today, although I’m thinking about splitting the topic into two or three parts (one about dystopians and one about romance in YA).
Chihuahua – Thank you
, ‘though I’m not sure my students would agree with you. You’ve got a really interesting idea about looking at YA trends. I often think we don’t pay enough attention to what’s happening in that field and the fact is, anyone who pulls young people into reading deserves praise and more. I’ll be interested when you get your post up to see what you’ve done with it.
Ring.
Margot: Hello.
Saul: Hi, Dr. Kinberg, I have been thinking since I spoke to you today.
Margot: Glad to hear that Saul. I was hoping you would reflect on what I said.
Saul: Yah, it was great advice but what I was thinking was that since you’re a famous author would you write a blurb for my book?
Margot: (long long pause)
Saul: Are you still there Dr. Kinberg?
Margot: Yes, yes I am. What did you have in mind?
Saul: I like those blurbs where they say a young author is the next famous author and a name is inserted. You mentioned some names. Maybe you could say I was the next Michael Connelly or Deon Meyer. I thought about Jo Nesbø but I don’t think it would be good to use a girl’s name.
Margot: (Sigh) Saul, those are not my favourite blurbs and Jo Nesbø is a man.
Saul: Well, I’ll leave it with you Dr. Kinberg. You have a great imagination and I know you can come up with something for a book filled with as much action and as many deaths as I pack into every page.
Margot: I am sure I can come up with something that describes your book in a few words.
Saul: Thanks Dr. Kinberg.
Bill – If I were wearing a hat, it’d be off to you! This is inspired
– it really is. I’m going to be smiling and chuckling about it the rest of the day. Now, if I can just figure out exactly the right words for that blurb
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Thanks for the kind words Margot…and for the laughs of this post, though sadly I’m not sure it’d be that funny to many in the publishing world. I have a work colleague who until recently was heavily into writing science fiction – he’s had quite a few short stories published and had received a commission to write some novellas for a YA audience and seemed to be getting some acceptance for good work. But none of this was making him much money so he has now signed up to co-author a series of action/adventure books set in various locations and it appears to literally be writing to a checklist. He doesn’t seem interested in the stories himself (he is at heart still a sci-fi fan) but he seems to think that doesn’t matter because “people will read any old thing”. I hope he’s proven wrong
Bernadette – Oh, my pleasure – I meant every word. I think unfortunately that you’re probably right about the publishing world. Your colleague’s story is, in case you’re wondering, not unique. I’ve heard stories from several writers who were at first excited to have their work published but who are expected to follow a checklist, and I’m not talking about things such as standard usage of language, pagination, that kind of thing. It is really sad and I hope your colleague’s proven wrong too *sigh.* I also hope (not that it’s the least bit my business) that your colleague makes the opportunity to write what he loves again. There’s nothing like it…
I love your post and Bill comment. I think your student is taking ‘write for the audience’ seriously. Sadly, those who like to read real mysteries or crime fiction like more than just the standard stuff with added vampires. Great point!
Clarissa – Oh, thank you
– and I agree; Bill’s addition is priceless and inspired! You’re right too that this is a case of writing what the author believes from publishing hype will sell, rather than what’s really good stuff. As you say, not all crime fiction fans like oceans of blood, staggering body counts and vampires. You do an elegant job of suspense in The Sholes Key for instance without any of those.
Hip, Hip, Hurray for the blogs at Reactions to Reading, Fair Dinkum Crime and Mysteries in Paradise. So many good reading recommendations, honest appraisals of books and developments in publishing — and good discussions.
Kathy – I agree 100%. All three of those blogs are absolutely top-notch. I learn something every time I visit them. Folks do follow them if you don’t already.
I so like it when you couch your hard news in this humorous fashion! I think writing for your audience (your perceived in your head audience) is a big mistake. Pick a couple of people you like and include your own self and write something you’d like. If it includes vampires etc…great but if it doesn’t and you only write that stuff because you think it sells you’ll have wasted your time. People who like lots of blood, or lots of car chases, or zombies, or whatever, can actually tell if you wrote from an inauthentic intention. I can and I know you can too. This is a very provacative post – my fave kind!
Jan – Oh, I’m so glad you enjoyed this
– I really am. Thanks for the kind words. You get to the heart of the matter when you talk about writing what one really loves. If you write something only because you think it’ll sell or you’ve been told it will, then that does come across. As you say, readers will spot it and they won’t enjoy it. The writer’s enjoyment of/passion for the story also comes through and it adds a distinctive flavour to it. As I think about your comment I’m thinking of a number of authors I like who so clearly love what they’re writing that the work just sparkles.
Lovely post, Margot, with great comment from Bill (and others). I wonder if Saul has an agent, yet?
According to a source of wisdom in YA, we have moved from vampires through angels to dystopian, which is where we’ve been stuck for a while. So what we need is YA “crime proper”, ie not “young Sherlock Holmes/Myron Bolitar/Jack Reacher”, etc, but crime stories (eg of the Reginald Hill mould) set at the teenage/YA level. I hope they would sell…..
Maxine – Thank you
– And yes, Bill’s comment is terrific! So is everyone else’s contribution including yours. You make a really good point about the trends in YA and an even better one about the kind of fiction it would be nice to see in that genre. I’d absolutely love to see a good crime fiction series written for those readers. I don’t know if it’d sell but I hope it would. And about Saul? He’s already got a book tour going *deep sigh*
This was one of the funniest and saddest posts I’ve read in a long time, Margot. There’s so much truth in it. And Bill’s comment is priceless. I don’t know how many times I’ve asked very young writers what kind of books they read and received a blank look in response.
Pat – Thank you; and I agree completely about Bill’s response. I admit it makes me very sad to think of how many young writers don’t pay attention to what they read. It’s so important I think to read a lot in the genre in which one wants to write. The thing is though that that takes time, and people don’t always want to put in that time and really explore before they write.