Advice is Cheap, You Can Take it From Me*

AdvisingIn Agatha Christie’s Hickory Dickory Dock (AKA Hickory Dickory Death), one of the residents of the hostel where most of the action takes place asks another for a piece of advice. Here’s the response:
 

‘Of course I could give you advice…, though I don’t know why anyone ever wants advice. They never take it.’
 

That’s a good point, really. People are often free with advice, although it’s frequently not heeded. For that reason alone (because it’s human and natural), it’s easy to identify with advice-giving in a crime novel, especially when the sleuth is about to do something ill-advised. On the other hand, a sleuth who always gets advice and never listens to it stops being interesting. Quickly. And characters who mind other people’s business too much are annoying. That’s to say nothing of the way investigations work in real life (e.g. would a cop really take advice from an amateur? That would take some believing.). But when it’s done credibly, getting and sometimes even heeding advice can a sleuth more human.

For instance, Christie’s Ariadne Oliver is not one to do as she’s told as a rule. And her independence is part of what makes her appealing as a character. But we see a very believable example of her taking advice in Hallowe’en Party. Poirot travels to Woodleigh Common at Mrs. Oliver’s request to find out who murdered thirteen-year-old Joyce Reynolds. The girl is found drowned at a party not many hours after boasting that she once saw a murder. So it’s fairly clear that she was probably killed by someone who feels threatened. Poirot finds out the history of the area and discovers which incident Joyce could have seen. As he does so, he realises an important fact that shows him that one of the villagers is in real danger. So he tells Mrs. Oliver to take that person to her home in London for safety. Here’s a bit of the conversation Mrs. Oliver has about it with the friend she’s been visiting in the village:
 

‘Anyway, you needn’t run away today, need you?’
‘Yes, I need to, I’ve been told to,’ said Mrs. Oliver.
‘Who’s told you – your housekeeper?’
‘No,’ said Mrs. Oliver. ‘Somebody else. One of the few people I obey.’
 

It’s actually a very tense scene and it’s a good thing that Mrs. Oliver listens to Poirot’s advice. It makes sense that she would too given he’s the experienced private investigator and they’re friends.

It’s also believable that a cop would listen to another cop’s advice, especially if the two officers trust each other. And that’s what we see in the relationship between Håkan Nesser’s Inspector Van Veeteren and Intendant Münster. As the series featuring these sleuths begins, Van Veeteren is Münster’s boss, but as fans will know, he leaves the police force to take part ownership in a bookshop. And yet Münster is still grateful for his advice. In The Unlucky Lottery (AKA Münster’s Case), Münster and his team investigate the stabbing murder of Waldemar Leverkuhn. An obvious motive doesn’t come to light quickly but then the police find out that Leverkuhn and some of his friends went in together on a lottery ticket – and won. They’d gone out to celebrate just before Leverkuhn was killed, so the police now have a new angle on this case. But that’s not entirely satisfactory either. Münster is by no means incompetent, but he’s glad for the advice and input he gets when he tells Van Veeteren about the case. And when Van Veeteren lets Münster know he’s on the wrong track, Münster heeds his advice and looks elsewhere for the killer.

We see another example of a cop giving another cop advice in Louise Penny’s Still Life. That’s the story of former schoolteacher Jane Neal, who’s killed in what looks like a tragic hunting accident. Sûreté Inspector Armand Gamache and his team travel to the small town of Three Pines to do what they think will be perfunctory work on the case. But when Gamache begins to suspect that the victim was murdered, the team’s investigation stops being routine. Assigned to Gamache’s team for the first time is Agent Yvette Nichol. She turns out to be a poor choice for the team as she is arrogant, smug and unwilling to learn. Gamache’s second-in-command Jean-Guy Beauvoir advises Gamache to get rid of Nichol as quickly as he can. Gamache likes and trusts Beauvoir so although he’s the boss, he listens to what Beauvoir has to say. At first Gamache tries to coach and counsel Nichol, but when that’s unsuccessful, he follows Beauvoir’s advice and cuts Nichol from the team.

Readers can also believe that sleuths might heed their spouses’ advice and there are a lot of examples of that. Donna Leon’s Commissario Guido Brunetti, for instance, is married to Paola Falier, who is not only an educated professor of English, but also a genuine ‘blueblood.’ Brunetti values her input and benefits from it. For instance, in Blood From a Stone, he and Ispettore Vianello investigate the execution-style shooting of an unknown Senegalese immigrant. It takes some doing, but the detectives find out where the man lived and search his room. To their surprise, they discover a cache of diamonds that turn out to be ‘blood diamonds’ used to fund a military conflict Brunetti and Vianello also find that the diamonds are connected to an illegal arms trafficking ring. But in order to get all of the answers, Brunetti wants to know the diamonds’ origin. That’s where Paola’s advice is very helpful. She advises Brunetti of an expert he might contact about a small wooden head he finds among the dead man’s possessions.  Her view is that that information may help him locate the source of the diamonds. He takes her advice, although somewhat reluctantly, and is able to trace the diamonds.

It’s also quite believable that sleuths might listen to advice from friends. That’s what we see in Martin Edwards’ The Serpent Pool. DCi Hannah Scarlett and DCI Fern Larter are not just colleagues but also good friends. They find themselves working both ends of the same case when Scarlett re-opens the investigation into the six-year-old drowning death of Bethany Friend. That death was always put down to suicide, but Scarlett isn’t convinced. Larter and her team are working two recent murder cases that turn out to be related to the Bethany Friend case. So on a professional level, the two women give each other information and advice. But because they are also friends, Larter knows about Scarlett’s rocky relationship with her partner Marc Amos. She also knows – well, suspects – that Scarlett is attracted to Oxford historian Daniel Kind, who helps in this investigation. At the end of the novel, she gives Scarlett advice about that matter and it’s interesting to see that while Scarlett doesn’t immediately agree with her friend, what Larter says makes an impression.

Too often, crime fiction novels have scenes where someone tells the sleuth not to pursue a case or a particular suspect. And too often, sleuths take un-necessary risks because they don’t listen to advice. Sometimes it’s nice when a novel includes a believable use of advice. Well, I think authors ought to do that, anyway. ;-)

 

 
 

*NOTE: The title of this post is a line from Billy Joel’s The Great Wall of China.

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24 Responses to Advice is Cheap, You Can Take it From Me*

  1. Ah, I see you are in a Billy Joel mood too today!
    In a way, I suppose even the ‘unconventional’ or ‘independently-minded’ detectives listen to advice from their sidekicks: they just might not admit it openly. Morse often has a brainwave after a conversation with Lewis, Sherlock needs to bounce ideas off Dr. Watson, Commissaire Adamsberg often relies on Danglard’s vast knowledge and sensible, methodical approach to matters.

    • Marian Sofia – See, the thing is, I am always in a Billy Joel mood. ;) – You have a very well-taken point about the value of sidekicks. They serve the author’s purposes, but they also serve as important springboards for ideas for the sleuth. Thanks for those excellent examples, too. I need to do another post on sidekicks some time…

  2. I didn’t know Hickory Dickory Dock was also known as Hickory Dickory Death. *Not* a good title. Isn’t it irritating when that happens?

  3. As you mentioned, Margot, it certainly strains credulity for official investigators to turn to amateurs for help. But it some of the best Golden Age mysteries, that is certainly what happened. Sometimes, it was a close friendship – Albert Campion with police officials Oates and, later, Luke. Sometimes it was in the family – Lord Peter Wimsey’s brother-in-law Parker or Ellery Queen’s father, Inspector Richard Queen. Sometimes it was just turning to an expert – Superintendent Hadley consulting with Dr. Gideon Fell about a locked room case. But the advice was generally heeded.

    • Les – I think one of the things that makes those Golden Age stories credible is that the people involved listen to advice from people you would expect they might already trust. For instance, it makes sense that Wimsey would trust Parker. It makes sense that the Queens would trust each other and take advice from each other. In my opinion, it’s when you can’t imagine taking advice from a particular person that it becomes a bit hard to believe.

  4. kathy d.

    Good examples on listening to advice. I think Guido Brunetti knows that his spouse, Paola Falier, is extremely smart, and knows of what she is speaking, on matters of literature, life and even criminal justice.
    The issue of teams cooperating and listening to each other is crucial to crime solving in a police department. Van Veeteren gives advice, but listens to his team members. So does Martin Beck, who highly values all of his investigators.
    And Erlendur listens to his colleagues in the Arnaldur Indridason books. In fact, he values them so highly that he turns over investigations to other police detectives in Outrage and Black Skies. And they do superb jobs.
    Now, among private detectives, who listens to others’ advice? Many are lone individuals doing the investigations, calling upon friends and contacts. But who really works well as a team member?

    • Kathy – You make a very well-taken point about Erlendur and Martin Beck in terms of the way they listen to their colleagues but at the same time, they also give advice. In real police work, that balance is important and it adds a realistic touch to those novels.
       
      You also make a very interesting point about private detectives and advice. Peter Temple’s Jack Irish pays attention to what people tell him, and he respects what his sometimes law partner says. He also listens to Charlie Taub, who owns the cabinet shop where Irish is apprenticing. And Anthony Bidulka’s Russell Quant listens in his way to what his mentor Anthony Gatt says. There are other examples too of private investigators who work well enough with others to listen, but it takes maturity on their part. And there really are plenty of private investigators who are not part of a group that way – who don’t listen to what others say.

  5. kathy d.

    Good to hear about Jack Irish. Can’t wait to read his books. True about Russell Quant, although that aspect of the investigations hadn’t impacted me, but I’ll look out for it.
    I think of women p.i.’s who listen to their friends and colleagues, but then go further out on a limb on their own, like V.I. Warshawski or Kinsey Millhone. Sharon McCone listens to her former colleagues at a law collective and she listens to her spouse, Hy Ripinsky. But she still takes a lot of risks even if they caution her. So does V.I. and a little less, but still so does Kinsey.
    I’m thinking of them as I read their books, but I think there are many male detectives who do the same.
    Harry Hole, as a police detective, takes so many risks that he gets into trouble He listens to the other detectives, but he still goes way out on a limb frequently. It’s amazing he survives!

    • Kathy – That’s a very interesting point about how many personal risks fictional private investigators take. As you say, they may ask for advice, or people may give them advice without them asking. In the end though, they do go their own way and that certainly puts them at risk. As your example of Harry Hole shows, cops sometimes take a lot of risks too, even after they’ve been advised to be cautious.

  6. What a lovely post. And I always like the detective who can take advice as long as it comes from a source they trust.
    Strange that you should write about advice when just yesterday, someone asked me about proper nutrition, and after giving her a long discourse, I told her that advice is easy to give, but hard to follow, and I don’t do half the things I know I should be doing. She appreciated the honesty, I think (and hope).

    • Natasha – Thank you for the kind words. And that is strange timing! And I’m sure that your friend really was grateful not just for your advice but for your candor. When it comes to nutrition and health, a lot of us know what we should be doing, but that doesn’t mean we do it.
       
      And as for fictional detectives, I agree; I like it when they are open to advice, especially if it comes from someone you would expect to be trustworthy. It’s often human nature to ask for and give advice, so it just makes sense to me.

  7. Margot: I doubt Rumpole of the Bailey has ever taken advice. Certainly his fellow members of Chambers cannot convince him.

    Still for outright irascibility and mule headed stubborness there is none to compare with Nero Wolfe. Even his beloved Fritz can barely convince him to change an ingredient in a recipe.

    • Bill – You are quite right about Nero Wolfe. I really can’t see him taking one small bit of advice from anyone. And no, I don’t guess Rumpole would be open to a lot advice either…

  8. The best form of advice I have read in crime-fiction is when the criminals advise the private detective or investigator, or whoever the protagonist is, to get off the case or else…which, as we know, our hero never pays heed to.

    • Prashant – That sort of scenario can be effective can’t it? The detective gets advice to stay away from a case or to leave it alone, but we all know that’s not going to happen. That gives the reader a sense that the case is more dangerous than it seems. It can also give the reader and the detective a clue that perhaps the person advising the sleuth knows more about the case than it seems.

  9. I think investigators bouncing ideas off of friends or spouses is very believable. You’re right–some forms of advice in crime fiction isn’t believable.

    Don’t I remember reading that Ms. Oliver was supposedly a lot like Christie?

    • Elizabeth – You’re right that there are a lot of very credible examples of investigators who get advice or at least input from their spouses. I like the way you handle that in your Beatrice Coleman series. In those books, folks, the sleuth Beatrice Coleman isn’t a cop, but the investigating cop is married to one of Beatrice’s friends. So it’s quite believable in that series that ideas would get passed around. It’s harder to make that kind of advice-giving/getting credible if there isn’t that kind of connection.
       
      And right you are about Ariadne Oliver. From what I’ve read, she was Christie’s parody of herself.

  10. I usppose in police procedurals the most clear exploration of this tends to be that between a senior and junior officer that paralleles the parental dynamic (e.g. The Morse and Lewis dynamic of the TV shows but less in the books where they are the same age more or less) – whcih, as you say can be frought with emotion, with heart rather than head dictating whether the advice is followed

    • Sergio – I think you’ve got a well-taken point there. And it does make sense (and is credible) that senior and junior officers would discuss cases and give each other advice. As you say, the Morse/Lewis dynamic is a good example. So is Stephen Booth’s Fry/Cooper dynamic and of course, Reginald Hill’s Dalziel/Pascoe dynamic. And yes, sometimes emotion gets in the way of taking a wise decision, but it’s interesting how those authors work in that advice angle.

  11. By happy chance, my blogpost today (on Christie’s Sad Cypress) points out a character imagining ‘Aunt Agatha’s Advice Column: Keep your boy friend guessing! Don’t let him be too sure of him’ – and I ask if it’s odd that she used her own first name. Great minds thinking alike Margot!

  12. I like this. I liked reading about Agatha Christie once more.

    Hey, can you recommend a mystery writer for me to follow? I get headaches from reading, nowadays. I can’t read someone whose writing is incredibly detailed and psychologically … I want to say “deep”, but it is more like plummet the wells, and come up twisted, crooked, and with your kneecaps shot off… i.e., it requires an emotional commitment on the part of the reader….

    Christie is brilliant, and also a relief on the senses. You know a lot of mystery writers, Margot. :) Can you recommend a few that are similar?

    P.S. I’ve read ALL of Lillian Jackson Baun’s “The Cat who…” But I think you already know that… :)

    Hugr5

    • Thanks :-) – I’m glad you enjoyed the post. There are dozens of mystery novelists I could recommend. Ngaio Marsh and Dorothy Sayers wrote at the same time as Agatha Christie; you might enjoy their work. If you’re looking for more modern writers, you might try M.C. Beaton or Rhys Bowen. I think you’d also really like Kerry Greenwood’s two series. There are lots more, but those are the first I can think of that, knowing you, you might enjoy.

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